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In this episode of the Story Works Round Table, Alida and Kathryn are joined by Michael MacBride and Rob Jung to talk about crafting compelling villains. We explore villains from minor, humorous characters to antagonistic forces from classic literature. Learn how to use villains to create stakes, craft villainous characters that readers love, and use villains in new and surprising ways!

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SWRT 357 | Writing Villains with Michael MacBride and Rob Jung by Alida Winternheimer

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Michael MacBride

Michael David MacBride’s career has taken as many twists as a well-plotted novel. Originally from Michigan and now based in Minnesota, he’s worked as a newspaper carrier, a pizza delivery driver, a UPS worker, a debt collector, a country band roadie, a grant writer, a professor of English, Literature, and Humanities at multiple universities, and plenty more in between. These days, he focuses on writing, co-running Bell Cow Productions with Rob Jung, helping authors publish through Salty Books Publishing, and hosting and producing the Veritas Views podcast—all while somehow balancing a “regular” job, too.

MacBride’s love of storytelling drives everything he does, whether it’s crafting his own books, amplifying the voices of other authors, or diving into deep (and occasionally absurd) conversations on podcasts. When he’s not working, writing, or publishing, he enjoys traveling and spending time with his wife and two boys—though he’s probably still mentally drafting his next project while doing it.

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Rob Jung

Rob Jung has spent a lifetime chasing stories—from his early days as a newspaper writer to his decades as a lawyer, historian, and globe-trotting traveler. A Minnesota-based author, his novels often draw inspiration from real historical events uncovered in his journeys across six continents (Antarctica, you’re on notice).

Jung is the author of Cloud Warriors, an action-adventure novel, and The Chimera Chronicles, a thriller trilogy that begins with a missing masterpiece and spirals into legal and political intrigue. He also produces and hosts Minnesota Mystery Night, a live event showcasing top crime and thriller writers from the Midwest, and co-runs Bell Cow Productions (with Michael MacBride).

When he’s not writing, Jung can be found cooking, gardening, tracking down classic cars, or perfecting the world’s best Manhattan. He’s got three grown kids, a lively bunch of grandkids, and a knack for collecting honorary “adopted” family members.

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Alida Winternheimer is an award-winning author with an MFA in writing from Hamline University. She pursues her fervor for all things story as a writing coach, developmental editor, and teacher. Three times nominated for the Pushcart Prize, she is also a notable in Best American Essays and winner of the Page Turner Award. Author of The Story Works Guide to Writing Fiction Series, Alida lives and writes in Minneapolis, Minnesota. She camps, bikes, and kayaks in her free time. Unless it’s winter, in which case she drinks chai by the fire. You can find more at www.alidawinternheimer.com.

Kathryn Arnold writes fantasy and anything else that sparks her creativity from her home in Kingston, Washington. She currently earns her living as an insurance underwriting assistant, where she also creates marketing and web copy. When not writing, she plays (and teaches) piano and keyboard in a band (or two), and is working on starting a ministry team with her husband. You can find Kathryn at www.skyfirewords.com.

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